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« on: July 11, 2010, 10:33:26 PM »

Hello all,
New user here. We've had a CB-1 for about 15 years or so, and just picked up another one with the intent of swapping the tanks and few other bits before we pass it along. I've run into a bit of a snag.

Were there California specific bikes way back in 1989 or 1990? Because Honda used two different types of gas caps on the CB-1. I can make the trade one way, but one cap won't fit the other tank. It has a bump out in the front of the locking mechanism. The corresponding tank as a divot to accept the cap bump in the same spot. Argh. This would have been simple if I could have just swapped the gas caps.

Now I'm looking into removing the lock cylinder? Anyone have any knowledge or info on how to do this? Is it possible to do without destroying the cylinder? I've done a few searches and it looks like a few of you are getting things rekeyed, but I have found an specifics on how to do it. Any assistance would be appreciated!

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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2010, 05:40:40 AM »

The ignition barrel will come out if you take off the steering lock remove the clocks and guages and disconnect it in the headlight. from there it's just unbolting it from the steering stem.
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« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2010, 07:48:56 AM »

Hello all,


Were there California specific bikes way back in 1989 or 1990? Because Honda used two different types of gas caps on the CB-1.

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Evol

Can't speak for the rest of your questions but for sure there were specific CA CB-1's. The manual shows differences in carbs and pollution controls but it is news to me that they had different tanks and gas caps.
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« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2010, 09:18:40 AM »

Hello all,
New user here. We've had a CB-1 for about 15 years or so, and just picked up another one with the intent of swapping the tanks and few other bits before we pass it along. I've run into a bit of a snag.

Were there California specific bikes way back in 1989 or 1990? Because Honda used two different types of gas caps on the CB-1. I can make the trade one way, but one cap won't fit the other tank. It has a bump out in the front of the locking mechanism. The corresponding tank as a divot to accept the cap bump in the same spot. Argh. This would have been simple if I could have just swapped the gas caps.

Now I'm looking into removing the lock cylinder?
Anyone have any knowledge or info on how to do this? Is it possible to do without destroying the cylinder? I've done a few searches and it looks like a few of you are getting things rekeyed, but I have found an specifics on how to do it. Any assistance would be appreciated!

Cheers,
Evol

Yes, you can. I have done this myself and it is possible. But be careful as there are plenty of "pingfukkits" in there to catch the unwary. For the life of me I can't remember exactly how it works, but I am certain it does as I ended up with a VFR 400 fuel cap on my CB-1 after some pricks stole it.
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« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2010, 10:49:46 AM »

Thanks for the info everyone. I'm still interested if anyone can post up specifics of removing the gas cap cylinder from the locking mechanism, but I'm glad to hear that it can be done.

Again, I'm not trying to swap the ignition or seat locks, just the gas cap cylinder.

I'm not sure if the tank/cap is CA specific, but I do know that both tanks are 1990s. One bike has much more tubing/piping all around, which is why I was assuming that the tank/cap difference might be CA specific. If you look it up on bikebandit, there are gas caps for two different 'area codes'

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« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2010, 10:53:15 AM »

removing the gas tank; there are 3 real screws and 3 dummy screws, remove the real ones. then open the tank using the key should just lift straight out!
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« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2010, 12:04:39 PM »

removing the gas tank; there are 3 real screws and 3 dummy screws, remove the real ones. then open the tank using the key should just lift straight out!
That's right, but he's trying to get the key barrel out of the cap. If I read it correctly.

As I say, it can be done, but watch out for springy bits all over the place.

It's something like - put the key in, turn to "unlock" then use a small flat screwdriver to depress the extra pin which is all that's remaining to hold it all together. FFS don't remove the key from the barrel while the lock is out of its home, or you'll be left juggling the sliders back into position.

It's not difficult, just takes some care.

Actually that said, you also have to remove the big rubber seal. On the two I was looking at, I only got one out intact. Be seriously cautious here as you won't get that seal as a separate part.

Yes there was a CA variant, yes it would have had more pipes on it. Normally the tank "vents" to atmosphere through the release valve in the cap. But on CA models that's not allowed, so it is indeed most likely that the caps are different and have a different type of valve within them.
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