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Title: New owner, looking for center stand and rear fender
Post by: Paulbwatertownct on June 09, 2016, 06:31:33 AM
Just picked up an 89 CB-1 with 3700 miles on it.  It is missing the center stand and the rear fender has been cut off.  Anybody selling these?

Thanks, I'm in CT, USA
Paul


Title: Re: New owner, looking for center stand and rear fender
Post by: VintageHunter on June 09, 2016, 11:16:33 AM
Net rules: pictures or it didn't happen.


Title: Re: New owner, looking for center stand and rear fender
Post by: Paulbwatertownct on June 09, 2016, 11:22:16 AM
Pictures of what?? Sorry to be a newbie and ask a dumb question.


Title: Re: New owner, looking for center stand and rear fender
Post by: VintageHunter on June 09, 2016, 11:23:06 AM
no worries mate.
Pictures of your newly acquired CB1.
I'd love to see it.


Title: Re: New owner, looking for center stand and rear fender
Post by: jck324 on June 10, 2016, 01:04:29 AM
welcome,wow low miles. Before you spend too much time and money on the center stand.  make sure your bike is set up for a center stand. not all of them are. 

maybe you already know this. just a heads up.


Title: Re: New owner, looking for center stand and rear fender
Post by: jdg25 on June 10, 2016, 04:58:44 AM
Going off the part sites these are the big parts needed for a center stand. Additionally you need a 16x22 washer and 2.5mm cotter pin. (to keep the pivot pin in) A quick google search showed a couple sites with NOS stands and bits.
50500-KAF-700  - stand
50541-MT6-600  - spring
50526-MT6-600  - pivot pin
50523-425-000  - spring stand


In regards to the rear fender, are you looking for the bit that is in the subframe or the thing that holds the plates, turn signals, etc.


Title: Re: New owner, looking for center stand and rear fender
Post by: VintageHunter on June 10, 2016, 11:04:43 AM
Interesting about the center stand. My CB1 doesn't even have the eyelets which recieve the centerstand. Appears some model years had the centerstand and some model years the centerstand eyelet holes weren't even manufactured under the engine. How odd.


Title: Re: New owner, looking for center stand and rear fender
Post by: Paulbwatertownct on June 10, 2016, 01:43:46 PM
Ok, here are some pictures, and an update on this project. Just picked up the bike two weeks ago, here are the obvious issues known and discovered so far. Pictures are shown holding up a Targa Tsunami fairing for fitment. I like the look with the fairing on.

Bike was missing the exhaust, previous owner sent out for coating and it got lost. I had located one on eBay so I thought it was no big deal. Bought the bike, bought the pipe, I was happy. The next day I got a refund on my pipe, the dealer could find it, it may have been re-listed by mistake or thrown away. Now trying to find a decent pipe is like finding hens teeth. I ordered a Delkevic pipe for a CBR400RR Tri-Arm and the pipe almost fit but the headers were at the wrong angle meeting the motor, returning today for minimal restocking fees (love Delkevic customer service). I ordered a piece of s$%t pipe on eBay and hope to make it fit the Kerker muffler that came with the bike, if not I will have to figure something else out.

Front fender was a different color, obvious. Rear cowl had some cracks and missing stand-offs, the seller gave me another rear cowl with cracks on side but repairable and all good mount points. I intend to paint the Targa fairing, rear cowl and front fender to match the tank.

Missing chain guard. Any suggestions if I can find one for a CB-1?

The center stand was removed but the mounting points are there. JDG, thanks for the part numbers, what source has these, I can't find any in the USA?

The suspension feels dead compared to my Honda Hawk GT which has a Penske shock and RaceTech springs, emulators, and preload caps. I was reading on this forum about an owner picking up a CB1100XX shock and it bolted right in. I saw one in great shape and really cheap ($39 delivered), I'll try that first and if it doesn't work I may go for a CBR900 or an aftermarket shock, depending on how much I like the bike. I plan on adding the RaceTech mods to this bike as well.

Bar end mirrors are in (the cheap round eBay china ones work fine for me at $29.00)

Interesting that while the gauges show just over 3k miles, some parts resemble that and others don't, like the plastic control housings. The bike has some scrapes on the forks from a fall, so maybe these were sourced to fix the bike.


Title: Re: New owner, looking for center stand and rear fender
Post by: Paulbwatertownct on June 10, 2016, 01:53:38 PM
JDG, I'm just looking for the plastic under tail section that the plate and signals mount to.

The current one is cut short and the tail light is tucked into the rear cowl. I can probably find a CBR rear fender new or on eBay for cheap money which may work fine. I'm just not into the fender eliminator look. I like to keep my bikes looking as close to stock as possible. (I say this as I'm installing a Targa fairing left over from a previous Hawk GT project)


Title: Re: New owner, looking for center stand and rear fender
Post by: VintageHunter on June 10, 2016, 01:56:10 PM
I might have an extra exhaut laying around.
i'll have to check this weekend.
give me a few days to see what I have and I'll take some picks if I can.
it's in good shape I know that.
it doesn't come with a can but the 4-pipe exhaust is all there.
gimme this weekend to look.
I can sell it to you for whatever the going rate for exhausts are for this bike, buyer pays shipping.
let me look and see what I have.


Title: Re: New owner, looking for center stand and rear fender
Post by: Paulbwatertownct on June 10, 2016, 02:02:19 PM
Ok, standing by, thank you very much. Here is a link to the pipe i just bought on eBay so you can see the pictures. The header section looks good but its back half and can are questionable. http://www.ebay.com/itm/401039339955

Appreciatively,
Paul


Title: Re: New owner, looking for center stand and rear fender
Post by: jdg25 on June 10, 2016, 06:04:15 PM

The center stand was removed but the mounting points are there. JDG, thanks for the part numbers, what source has these, I can't find any in the USA?

I was mainly looking at sources in the UK.
http://www.cmsnl.com/products/stand-compmain_50500kaf700/#.V1s0QrsrLX4

The supplier for the sites below lets you add the item to cart and start the checkout process. It's a slim chance that they actually have the item but you could give it a try. You could also put in a parts request with your local honda powersports dealer.

https://www.thumpertalk.com/shop/Honda-STAND-MAIN-50500-KAF-700-50500-KAF-700-p1000054923.html
http://shop.gpsportsonline.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=8413941&category=Motorcycles&make=Honda&year=1990&fveh=294279
http://honda.eastbaymotorsports.com/fiche_section_detail.asp?section=8413940&category=Motorcycles&make=Honda&year=1989&fveh=2942781



JDG, I'm just looking for the plastic under tail section that the plate and signals mount to.

The current one is cut short and the tail light is tucked into the rear cowl. I can probably find a CBR rear fender new or on eBay for cheap money which may work fine. I'm just not into the fender eliminator look. I like to keep my bikes looking as close to stock as possible. (I say this as I'm installing a Targa fairing left over from a previous Hawk GT project)



If you were missing the sub frame piece I have a extra one laying around. Your best bet might be to contact the bike breakers on ebay. My -1 is pulled apart at the moment, I can get a picture of the part you are looking for if you want one as reference.





Also I got a extra header laying around that fits the -1 but doesn't look like it was off the -1. I can get some comparison pics and measurements if anyone wants them.


Title: Re: New owner, looking for center stand and rear fender
Post by: Paulbwatertownct on January 28, 2017, 12:23:46 PM
All,
I've picked up some great info on this site, so thanks for keeping it going. I've managed to find everything I was looking for and my CB-1 is now ready for paint.

Exhaust - purchased a 30degree stainless steel mid-pipe from an eBay site in the UK, flared the end and mounted the vintage Kerker can.

Fender / Signals - I managed to find an unmolested rear fender with some very rare CB-1 MK-II factory signal lamps, and then found a matching MK-II set for the front.

Fairing - I had purchase a vintage Targa fairing for a Honda Nighthawk some years back that I will finally put to good use. A friend fabricated a mounting system for the fairing and MK-II signals similar to that on my Hawk GT. A set of small round Chinese bar end mirrors complete the look.

Carbs - rebuilt using Honda CBR600F1 (Hurricane) carb kit. Exact same carbs and factory jet sizes.

Gearing - I'm going from the stock rear sprocket down to a 37T. Hopefully it will do the trick to bring down the revs at highway speeds without killing performance. Maybe I'll try a 16T front if I still need to gear higher.

Front forks - added Gold Valve emulators, RaceTech springs, new seals and bushings. So......... I guess that proved the low miles were a complete lie. Fork bushings don't wear out in 3k miles. The forks do feel great though.

Rear shock - I picked up a CBR-XX rear shock for cheap but I haven't changed it yet. The rear seems a bit better after the forks mods.

Now the questions comes - What color???? I've seen some pictures on the web of a CB-1 painted a medium metallic blue, similar to Yamaha's traditional blue/silver/white scheme. Anybody really crazy over another color that looks great on a CB-1? Red is out as I have a red 89 Hawk GT, red/white 91 CBR F2 and a red/white 90 NSR250 (cabin racing). 


Title: Re: New owner, looking for center stand and rear fender
Post by: a_morti on January 28, 2017, 05:56:38 PM
Looking good! I do like a bit of period bling.

I'm a big fan of the stock Jdm blue. Very common in uk but not in the states. No idea on colour code but it's not far away from the previous model civic dyno blue pearl. Maybe a little more black.

Interlagos blue from bmw is also similar. Maybe closer even.


Title: Re: New owner, looking for center stand and rear fender
Post by: Jsboening on January 28, 2017, 11:02:02 PM
 I love the stock blue. Especially in the direct sun.


Title: Finished for now. BMW Lemans blue
Post by: Paulbwatertownct on July 16, 2017, 09:28:13 PM
Ended up painting the CB a BMW color called Lemans blue. It's a bit dark at night but the metallic really pops in the sun light. Painted in a friends garage and night time came while spraying clear over the decals, so a few bugs in the paint but all in all I think it looks good. I'm trying to post a few pictures but can't seem to shrink them down.  

I'm really liking these Bridgestone Evo S20 radials for this bike. What a great feeling on the roads today.


Title: Finished for now. BMW Lemans blue
Post by: Paulbwatertownct on July 16, 2017, 09:29:37 PM
2nd picture


Title: Re: Finished for now. BMW Lemans blue
Post by: ModerateFkr on July 16, 2017, 11:38:32 PM
Ended up painting the CB a BMW color called Lemans blue. It's a bit dark at night but the metallic really pops in the sun light. Painted in a friends garage and night time came while spraying clear over the decals, so a few bugs in the paint but all in all I think it looks good. I'm trying to post a few pictures but can't seem to shrink them down.  

I'm really liking these Bridgestone Evo S20 radials for this bike. What a great feeling on the roads today.

That's a classy looking blue with a great pedigree you chose there Paul. Nice one. Did you use a spray gun or cans? What base and preparation did you use?

Is the other CB-1 behind in the last shot also yours?

There's a theory proposed in one of the reviews of the CB-1 that it might not have been well received by the wider market due to Honda choosing to paint it blue. The article points out that the first 400 Four in 1978 was red, and maybe it's 1989 successor should have also been red.

I'm planning to repaint mine over the winter, and I to and fro with this idea several times a day. I really need to see a CB-1 in Honda Racing red before I decide. I may try mocking up a red colour scheme on the computer.

But my mind keep going back to thoughts:

There are already a lot of Red Hondas

Maybe that original Japanese deep blue, or the one you used, really suits the bike better.

All I know for sure is it won't be orange, green or yellow, or white.



Title: Finished for now. BMW Lemans blue
Post by: Paulbwatertownct on July 17, 2017, 04:24:03 AM
Shot with a gun. Sanded all the parts, used a heavy primer to fill all the sanding marks and some imperfections in the fiberglass fairing, sanded again, shot the blue, decals, then clear coat with hardener.

The red bike is my Honda Hawk GT.


Title: Finished for now. BMW Lemans blue
Post by: Paulbwatertownct on July 17, 2017, 04:52:55 AM
I also thought about using the 1978 red color and the original decal set from that same year (available on eBay). But ultimately went with blue.

Another member recommended the BMW Interlagos blue, which might have been a better choice as its more of a medium than a dark blue. I was just worried about a slight purple tint in that color.

Whatever you decide, the clear coat is a must do.  It really gives the paint a depth.


Title: Re: New owner, looking for center stand and rear fender
Post by: a_morti on July 17, 2017, 05:19:27 AM
Looks great, well done.

I've a little bit fallen for mercedes brilliant blue, saw a wagon in that colour in the local dealer window. One day when time and money permit,  i would like to get the body done in that colour.


Title: Re: Finished for now. BMW Lemans blue
Post by: ModerateFkr on July 17, 2017, 10:27:29 AM
I also thought about using the 1978 red color and the original decal set from that same year (available on eBay). But ultimately went with blue.

Another member recommended the BMW Interlagos blue, which might have been a better choice as its more of a medium than a dark blue. I was just worried about a slight purple tint in that color.

Whatever you decide, the clear coat is a must do.  It really gives the paint a depth.

Thanks Paul. Sorry about the confusion over the red bike in the background. It looked like a -1 on my phone!!

I'm liking BMW Interlagos blue quite a lot. Even more so having read the BMW car owners arguing over it on the net. They all play golf and compare themselves to others constancy in a less than healthy way. Plus, it's a blue that's closer to what I had in mind, and on smaller areas, most issues diminish. But a colour that looks different in different lights is interesting.

And BMW Interlagos blue lends itself to adding the Mk2 Honda wings. And since the engine needs painting (and Honda engine silver is hardest to replicate) and the frame needs repainting... ;)



Title: Re: New owner, looking for center stand and rear fender
Post by: Paulbwatertownct on July 17, 2017, 03:05:38 PM
Does anyone have a source for the MK2 rear cowl decals which read "CB-1 Cam Gear Train"?